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Wednesday, August 24, 2005

Chris Bell not making much fundraising progress

This is pretty funny:
Better step it up, boys, or Chris Bell might not be able to mount a serious challenge to...HAHAHAHAHA... Sorry, I couldn't finish that sentence with a straight face.


At 8/24/2005 8:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

seems your party has more worries than Chris Bell. Gov. Perry has done nothing with control of both the house and the senate. His approval ratings are in the tank. Grandma strayhorn is looking better and better to most true repubs. Voters have seen a lot of nothing from the repubs in ten years or so. Seems time is right for a change. Chris Bell, could be. Seems you all need to pay attention to your own house

At 8/24/2005 9:50 PM, Blogger Matt said...

Chris Bell should worry the GOP to the same extent that being annihilated by a meteor should worry the GOP.

Sure, I'm not completely thrilled with Gov. Perry. That said, I'm certainly not sold on Carole Keeton McClennan Ryland Strayhorn.

To me, it just doesn't look like Bell has a serious chance. I don't know why I'm offering free advice to the Dems on this, but why not listen to the growing voice calling for Kinky Friedman to run as a Democrat?

Last I read, Kinky had raised something like 90 grand, to Bell's 10. Sure, the Dem's gonna lose either way, but it might as well be fun to watch.

At 8/25/2005 7:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember when Phil Graham was watching the skies for that same meteor. Meanwhile a school teacher was tooling around the state in a little white pickup truck. Gave the fine senator the scare of his life. lt you think mocking someone for running for the states highest office ( Lt.Gov most powerful, acknowledged) go for it. Stay the course. Laugh, but better keep an eye out for "little white pickups"

At 8/25/2005 9:25 AM, Blogger Matt said...

1) It's Gramm, not Graham.

2) I'm not "mocking someone for running for the states highest office." I'm mocking someone for doing such a shitty job at it.

At 8/25/2005 9:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats your position when someone gets the job, then does such a shitty job at it(Gov. Sen. Rep. Pres.). Just wonder'en.

At 8/25/2005 9:37 AM, Blogger Matt said...

Oh, I think we should keep electing that person over and over again.

Please. Of course, a low-quality official should be replaced at the first opportunity. That said, why do you keep turning this back on me?

In our little discussion, I haven't defended Perry, Dewhurst or any other Texas Republican. I've merely pointed out that Bell is not a good candidate. You want to get pissed at me for that, fine. But I was never a Dem contributor. If you want to get pissed at someone, direct your anger to your fellow Dems, who can't scrape together more than 10 grand for what is supposed to be the Perryslayer.

Maybe you think I'm pulling some kind of reverse-psychology trick on you. I assure you, I'm not. I'm not trying to imply that I'm secretly terrified of the mighty juggernaught that is the Chris Bell campaign.

I'm being honest. I like a strong opposing party. It keeps our guys on the relatively straight and narrow.

At 8/25/2005 9:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

not turning it back on you, and not pissed. just like honesty. If your party can't handle the job you should hold yours accountable.
Chris Bell, who knows. Kinky, has lots of publicity (Imus,2 million listeners, for one) which gives national exposure. National Money.
I think a strong party is held to the straight and narrow by its own first.
For the record, I would prefer Richard Morrison or Ron Kirk. But thats just me.

At 8/25/2005 4:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Bramanti, I transported myself to your world. I morphed myself into your twisted logic. Using this wierd science it seems to me your doing a pretty shitty job of blogging. I mean I see some 10 ( + or -) comments. I wonder what the traffic is to this site. So judging by the numbers, as you do with Chris Bell, your attempt at blogging is "shitty". I also notice that much of this content is the same as that on Lone Star Times. Not much original work.

At 8/25/2005 4:40 PM, Blogger Matt said...

Traffic's really low: daily pageloads are in the double digits. And yeah, most of this stuff is crossposted to LST.

But so what? There's a key difference that you're missing. I don't propose to be the top blogger around. I'm not asking for money or claiming that I have a chance to knock off Instapundit, Daily Kos or Power Line.

Chris Bell does propose to be the state's top elected official, though his fundraising suggests the campaign will be less than stellar.

At 8/25/2005 5:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Bramanti, if you are happy being "second tier" so be it. If you are don't mind that your work is not original thats ok. You won't knock of
Kos, or anyone else for that matter. And I bet Kuff is safe too.
But you might want to remove the paypal from your site.

At 8/25/2005 5:09 PM, Blogger Matt said...

Ooh, there goes Mr. Faceless Anonymity, master of psychology.

Why on earth would I want to remove the PayPal link?

At 8/26/2005 5:24 PM, Blogger Otto May said...

Well matt, looks as if I am not the only one who is unimpressed with your blogging. Well when you are on your own. Seems Bell has damn near doubled his 'take' in two days. As anonymous asked, how is your traffic total. Has it doubled.

At 8/26/2005 5:27 PM, Blogger Otto May said...

Well matt, looks as if I am not the only one who is unimpressed with your blogging. Well when you are on your own. Seems Bell has damn near doubled his 'take' in two days. As anonymous asked, how is your traffic total. Has it doubled. Should we all use your yardstick to measure your success vis a vie Mr. Bell. If we do what should the conclusion be ?

At 8/26/2005 6:11 PM, Blogger Matt said...

Otto, do you really see no difference between my little hobby and a gubernatorial campaign?

As I've said before, I'm not trying to take on the big-time bloggers; Bell IS trying to take on the big-time politicos. I know this will be a shock to you, but I don't write this stuff for you. I write it for me.

If it were the Chris Bell Wants a New Boat Fund, I'd be mighty impressed that he could raise more than ten grand in a couple weeks. He'd be well on his way to a nice new boat, and I'd be happy for him. But this isn't a fanciful little hobby for Bell. It's apparently a legitimate run at the state's highest office, and I just don't think the guy has a snowball's chance in Hell.

You seem to think that I'm trying to compete with Bell. If you actually think that -- if you feel the need to pit your gubernatorial candidate against some random guy with a Blogger account -- I'm even more certain of Bell's upcoming defeat. Chris Bell isn't competing against Matt the Blogger. He's competing against Rick Perry, Carole Keeton McClellan Rylander Strayhorn and a dude names Kinky.

But hey, I'm willing to be sporting about it. Twenty bucks says Bell loses. I'll even give you 3:1 odds.

Whaddya say?

At 8/26/2005 6:32 PM, Blogger Otto May said...

Don't want to take your money. I wonder as asked earlier if your pay pal account rakes in much dough. Even though as you say "I am not asking for money". Why do you find such humor in someone running for office. There are som many other really meaningful things you could address. Why be another pathetic conservative with nothing original to offer ? Engage in real debate, take on the big issues. If you do this for yourself should you not try to be the best you can.

Glad to see you got Strayhorn's name right on the second go round.

At 8/26/2005 6:38 PM, Blogger Otto May said...

Oh and by the way matt, I read the many posts on Lone star times making fun of Michael Moore and his attempt to lose wieght. You all over there at Danny Goeb's site find that to be funny. Danny boy had surgery to remove fat, and you are proud (as you should be) with your wieght loss. If you want to debate Moores beliefs fine. But why make fun of someone when we all have our physical faults. I find it very sophmoric.

At 8/26/2005 6:47 PM, Blogger Matt said...

10 to 1 odds. You don't have to worry about "taking my money." I'll give it to the American Red Cross or Catholic Charities or something in your name. You'll even get the tax deduction.

And why are you bitching to me because other people are calling Michael Moore fat? I don't own or run Lone Star Times. You might as well complain to me that your burger was overcooked today.

By the way, nice catch on Strayhorn's name. But after two shots at Dan Patrick's given name, you still haven't hit it.

At 8/26/2005 7:25 PM, Blogger Otto May said...

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At 8/26/2005 7:31 PM, Blogger Otto May said...

you are an editor at Lone star times no ?

Who cares about danny boy, but it is funny he wont use his real name.

So much to debate in todays world, yet you make fun of people with wieght problems, and people who instead of complaining actually go out and run. I remember Danny Scott saying he had respect for anyone who actually ran for office, something I have not seen him or you do. Maybe we will see you one day. Danny boy just talks a mean game. Don't become him.

At 8/26/2005 8:10 PM, Blogger Otto May said...

Oh and one last comment before I go and tend to more important things. My burger was cooked perfectly. You really ought to try Pappas Burger, they know how to cook a good burger.

Adios mr. matt. nice chatting with you.

At 8/27/2005 1:17 AM, Blogger Matt said...

Am I an editor at LST? I guess I am, in that I approve comments and such. I don't have veto power over posts, nor would I want it. That's Benzion's gig; I've got enough on my plate. I'll edit something now and then when it needs it (typos, broken links, stuff like that.)

Again, you claim that I make fun of people with weight problems, because someone else (i.e. a non-me person) at LST did. That's just not a valid criticism. I know a thing or two about criticizing media. I slam the Chronicle all the time. But if I have a beef with the way Lucas Wall writes a story, I don't write Dwight Silverman and say "Dwight, you wrote such and such, and here's why you're wrong."

But I have to admit that you're right about one thing, at least: Pappas burgers are outstanding!

At 8/27/2005 7:49 AM, Blogger Otto May said...

mr. matt. It is not intellectually honest to say you have no veto power. You know you can add comments. I have seen you do it hundreds of times. You are a smart man, you have a good education. Notre Dame is a fine school. So you know as well as I do that comments about Morre, or Ms. Jackson Lee are childish. Good debate rises above the ignorant. When we will children and had limited ability we would point to others flaws in a wild attempt to hurt. When we are adults we should do better. You should do better. I have seen mr moores movies, and surprisingly they are good. His facts are solid. Many people ridicule him for his last movie, but no one can say it was not factual. I did see once a calif republican law maker say it had lies. When mr. moore ask him what lies the lawmaker admitted he had not seen the movie so he could not respond. Don't remember the lawmakers name, but it was on bill mahrs show.
But I ramble. Debate his views, debate ms. lee on her views.
You could have interjected as you have on hundreds of occaisions, you could have said "I am fat and I don't appreciate this line of mockery". but you choose silence. In my view it would be fair for any number of radical left blogs to make fun of you now. But I would destest it the same.
Again mr matt. don't become Dannie Scott Goeb. Or his lt. Benzion. Be better. Make those Irish proud.(lord knows it won't be the football team that does.) I know I am wasting my time and my breath. I just so wish there was good honest debate on the "air waves". Yes mr. Kuffner is good. But I have yet to find a right leaning blog (local) that is honest, and stimulating.

At 8/27/2005 7:51 AM, Blogger Otto May said...

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At 8/27/2005 3:08 PM, Blogger Matt said...

I agree, shots at Michael Moore for being a fat slob are childish, and really have nothing to do with his politics. And, as I've said before, I DIDN'T TAKE ANY OF THOSE SHOTS.

However, shots at Sheila Jackson Lee for her limited intellect are valid because her stupidity affects her judgment. People who are so stupid that they think Neil Armstrong landed on Mars should not control NASA's purse strings. Do you disagree with that?

I've seen Fahrenheit 9/11 and Roger and Me. Let's take on F9/11 first, since it's the most recent Moore crap in people's minds.

Here are a few lies from the movie:

-The suggestion that Saudis -- possibly connected to Bin Laden -- were allowed to leave the country while flights were grounded. In fact, they left after the flight restrictions were lifted, and only after every person was cleared by the FBI.

-The assertion that "Bush beat the rap from the SEC" for selling Harken Energy stock, even though the transaction was legal and cleared by company lawyers.

-The statment by Craig Unger that the Saudis have $860 billion invested in the U.S, "roughly six or seven percent of America," implying that the Saudis are taking over, with Bush's help. In actuality, U.S. net worth is something like $44 trillion. So even if you use Unger's unsupported $860 billion number, you're talking about less than 2 percent. Not "six or seven."

The Irish are projected to go 9-2 this year, and go to the Gator Bowl. That's not too bad.

Again, you blame me for the lack of honest debate on the airwaves. What the hell do you expect me to do about it? I don't own, program, run or even work at a radio or TV station.

At 8/27/2005 6:05 PM, Blogger Otto May said...

mr. matt. I cannot debate the issues you raise re. moores 911 movie. it is clear you have not seen it or you would not have made the ignorant suggestion that the bin laden family left while air travel was grounded. the movie is very clear that they left after the air space was opened. let me say again, the movie was very clear that the bin laden family left only after air space was opened. i hoped better of you than that tired assertion. i watched the movie, i listened to people make that claim over and over again. it is a false claim. I suggest you watch the movie and then you can discuss it.

harken energy ? again you disappoint me. read what happened. then tell if you honestly believe mr. bush acted in the best interest of shareholders. I know of this story. i have been the victim of Enron, Dynegy, world com. my loses at enron alone would have paid your tuition and expenses at notre dame. and you could drive to class in a nice new E class mercedes. I read balance sheets. i trust (ed) that companies would act lawfully. mr. bush may have been cleared but if you are honest you cannot find that there was some dishonesty there. there is now way.

"projected" is the key word in your last argument. now i might take your money mr. matt. but i fear you wont take me up on it.

lastly, what do i expect from you. honesty. where can one find honesty on the "right" side of the dial (internet?)

At 8/27/2005 10:50 PM, Blogger Matt said...

I watched the movie. I rented it a long time ago, and I still kick myself for giving money to that knucklehead.

Regardless of the movie, listen very closely. I will NOT tolerate you calling me a liar on my own blog.

I will NOT tolerate your suggestion that I don't honor my debts.

The entire force of your last comment -- after your admission that you "cannot debate the issues" -- was a string of personal attacks against me (I'm a liar in claiming I didn't see F9/11 and I wouldn't pay up if I lost a best), with a shot at a great university thrown in for good measure. Does this make you happy?

So, what do you say on that bet? Just to recap, it's 20 bucks from you (to the United Way or Catholic Charities) if Chris Bell loses; 200 from me if he wins. You game? Or do you set Bell's odds at even worse than 10:1?

At 8/28/2005 9:40 AM, Blogger Otto May said...

mr. matt. you let your 23 year old emotions get the best of you. I said nothing about Notre dame that could be construed as a "shot". I dont think that they will field a football team of any great consequence. That in no manner reflects on the university. Mr. matt you need to read my opionions of your school. I think it a fine school. i have told you that. my comment about your school if you read it again will tell you that i made comment regarding the cost and who mr. lay at enron caused me to lose enough money that i could pay that cost and some extras for his lies. i mention his lies because they are like those told the investors of harken energy. mr. michael moore told that story factual. he also told the bin laden story as it happend. you said "some saudis possibly connected to bin laden" The movie refers to the bin laden family leaving u.s. as one of the first planes to become airborne after airspace was cleared. before they were interviewed by fbi. this is true. it was not some saudi with connections to bin laden. it was bin laden family.

I dont understand mr. matt why you would be kicking yourself for giving money to mr. moore. why not see the movie, and why not debate the issues mr. moore raised ? that mr. matt is honest debate. this country needs this debate. that is what makes this u.s. great. why are you against that. it seems you conservative don't like debate. why mr. matt.

I have enjoyed our little chat mr. matt. but i am afraid you are too emotional. so will sign off for now mr. matt. thanking you for your time.

At 8/28/2005 2:26 PM, Blogger Otto May said...

mr. matt just to set the record straight.
mr. bush was a member of the Board of directors at Harken energy. he was on the audit committee. please take the time to inform yourself of the duties of audit committee members (i wish cindy gramm had done so). mr. bush received a "flash"report that harken was going to report a quaterly loss of 4 million dollars. the report was issued by Arthur Anderson (where have we heard that name before, clue mr. matt ENRON) This flash report was issued on 6/6/90. it is important to follow the time line here mr. matt. on 6/11/90 mr. bush met with members of the audit firm Arthur Anderson to review the "flash" report. on 6/22/90 mr. bush sold the majority of his holding in Harken for 4.oo per share. as a member of the Board and audit committe he was required to notify sec of this sale. he did not do so. On 8/20/90 harken announced a loss of 23,000,000. for the second quarter of 90. Shares of harken were soon trading for less than 1.00 per share.
Mr. matt, mr. bush traded on insider information. no other way to look at it. none. Ms Martha stweart went to prison because of a similer sale. mr. bush did not report the sale as required by law. no other way to look at that. he was required to do so, he did not. Did the sec find him to be criminal ? no. who was president at the time of this. please mr. matt. be honest. mr. bush is no better than mr. lay. these are the facts mr. matt. you may try to spin them, and that is ok. you are an aspiring Goeb or Benzion. maybe one day you too will work with Hill and Assoc. doing opposition research. i hope you will not. but most truthfully you will probably.
i must as promised before move on to more important thing. you cannot think for yourself. that is too bad for you. that says more bad about Notre dame than the football team.

At 8/29/2005 12:57 AM, Blogger Matt said...

If the president traded on insider information, I have full confidence that an SEC investigation will clear his name.

What, it already did? Well I guess that's that. You also repeatedly suggest that I lied about seeing F9/11. What, do you want the damn Blockbuster receipt?

Come on, Otto. You're all over the map. This thread WAS about Chris Bell's fundraising progress, but I certainly understand why you'd want to start talking about a 15-year-old non-issue.

As of the time of this comment, he's at $14,421.29, with over 10 grand to go in the next 72 hours.

Will he make it? I would bet no. But I "don't want to take your money."

At 8/29/2005 8:49 PM, Blogger Ted said...

Man Matt, you have really been taken to task here. Otto is a man after my own heart. So are you still offering 10:1 odds on the chris bell thing ? I might just take you up on that. Make it worth my wild. But I have to agree with anonymous. I like Ron Kirk.
Too bad you dont take my comments on lst anymore. not sure why. oh well. guess I will have to moniter you here. Keep you on the straight and narrow. Well hell Otto is doing that. Bet you stop taking his comments soon.

At 8/29/2005 8:54 PM, Blogger Ted said...

Oh and by the way. Otto got you on the Michael Moore movie. You were dead wrong on all counts. You might have seen the movie, but you were not paying attention. He has you dead to rights on the Harken deal too. You are not doing so well here.
I would like to take you to task on light rail, but we have been there before. You are a concrete man. I like the light rail myself. Must be my roots in California. I will keep an eye out for Otto. He is fun huh.

At 8/30/2005 7:04 AM, Blogger Matt said...

You got it right, Ted. I won't be taking Otto's comments anymore, because he is a troll.

He mixes in personal insults (making the same one repeatedly), veers off topic, and insists on the same "mr. firstname" convention when talking to me. He does manage to capitalize the names of people he agrees with, though. That's just tacky and sophomoric.

Sure, I'll do a $20 bet at 10:1. If Chris Bell wins, I give $200 to charity in your name. If Bell loses, I give $20 to charity in my name.

By the way, I'd love to hear you "take me to task" on light rail.

At 8/30/2005 7:17 AM, Blogger Ted said...

Matt, please tell me why light rail is not good. Seems odd to me that we would "rip" out working rail along the Katy corridor. Then install a 10 billion dollar 20 lane freeway. I now use the Westpark tollway. This tollway was supposed to be the panecea for those of us in far west Houston. However if you take it in the morning you are subject to the same traffic woes you experience on all Houston Freeways. Now when I travel to San Francisco I take BART I never experience "Traffic" woes, the service is speedy and efficient. It takes me to all parts of the city. In fact when there I leave my car at home. It becomes a burden. I can get to BART or Ferry. I do it much faster and more comfortably. Seems using the existing rail bed. we could have served the same commuters. When traffic increased we could add cars. Nope not here. We need concrete. I often wonder why you guys (yep you conservatives, Delay culberson et all) are so opposed to smart transportation. You will point out the flaws in the Med ctr. light rail when you know full well that was the only rail Metro could put in with the obstruction of Delay and company. Now the people of his 22nd are clamouring for light rail from Sugarland to the city. County Judge Herbert said in a recent meeting it makes clear sense that we implement rail.

So "Mr. Matt" what is your problem with rail.

Oh and by the way the bet as I understood it was that Bell meet his goal of 25,000 by the 31st. not whether he win or lose. But hey I will help him as I did Kirk. He has my grand.

At 8/30/2005 7:49 AM, Blogger Matt said...

I think you're confusing issues. Are you suggesting putting light rail along the Katy Freeway?

Seems to me commuter rail would've been a much better solution. We could've tried a pilot by using surplus Amtrak trains on the lines we had along the Katy Freeway. But running light rail down a 15-20 mile commuter corridor makes absolutely no sense to me.

By comparing Metro to BART, you're comparing apples, oranges and plums. First of all, BART is not light rail. It's commuter rail. Secondly, you couldn't build a BART-type system on the cheap: BART used non-standard-gauge rails and automated trains.

You've got all these proposals for "smart transportation," yet you continue to confuse light rail and commuter rail.

If people want rail so much (light or commuter), why won't they pay for it? Why does rail have to have such enormous construction and operation subsidies?

There's an Onion article that pretty much sums it up:

Meanwhile, people have proven -- with their wallets -- that they like tollways. HCTRA's swimming in money, and Houston's toll road system is fast, well-maintained and well-designed.

Now why would you turn away from the successful HCTRA and towards Metro -- which is falling in just about every metric -- to solve Houston's mobility problems?

Also, weasel out of the best if you'd like, but read my comment of 8/26 at 6:11 p.m.:

"But hey, I'm willing to be sporting about it. Twenty bucks says Bell loses. I'll even give you 3:1 odds."

Also, my comment from 8/27 at 10:50 p.m.:

"So, what do you say on that bet? Just to recap, it's 20 bucks from you (to the United Way or Catholic Charities) if Chris Bell loses; 200 from me if he wins. You game? Or do you set Bell's odds at even worse than 10:1?"

At 8/30/2005 8:14 AM, Blogger Ted said...

You know Matt, you accuse Otto of making rude comments than you suggest I would weasel out of something. You might remember I told Don on LST that I would take a trip with him. I notice he ask recently when I would. But you guys don't take my comments over there (still no response as to why) so I cannot respond to him.
I don't weasel Matt.

Now on the rail. I don't know all the specific industry terms. What I do know is the Katy freeway is a mess and the reconstruction is failing anyway you look at it. I am willing to bet total cost will exceed 10 billion dollars. Then of course we will need to modify all secondary routes to match the Katy. I hear no one complaining about that. You were not here, I am assuming, when there was talk of commuter rail along the Katy. Delay was opposed to it. So was Archer whom culberson took his place. Yes I think commuter rail along katy, 59, and 45 makes sense.

Who do you think is paying for the 10 billion dollar Katy. And I am not sure of the figure, but I can find out, it seems to me I pay some 30 or 40 cents a gallon for the use of the freeways. Now on top of that I spend some 6 or 10 Dollars a day, yes a day to use the tollway. Thats a lot of money. My wife and I both use the tollway. so we spend some 400 per month to use the roads we already paid for. Judge Herbert at the opening of the Westpark tollway said (paraphrasing) when he heard cars overhead on the tollway. Ahhh the sound of Money. Yep right out of my wallet into his. If I had the choice to pay 3.00 bucks for a train trip or 10 bucks plus 51cents a mile to use my car, which do you think I would choose.

Commuter rail is better for the environment. Better for the congestion and better for the user.

I wonder have you ever traveled BART ?

In the original post you were making fun of Chris Bell for his "shitty" fund raising efforts. It looks as if he will meet his goal. You will probably call it a weasel, but you might read my comment regarding my choice. I would liket to see Ron Kirk. I would back him big time. I did before and I will again. But I respect Chris Bell for trying win or lose. How about a new bet. Tom "I love Concrete" and "Jack Abramhof" Delay loses to Nick "Tom screwed me out of my seat" Lampson. Nick has over 600 grand so far. I will take that bet anyday of the week.

At 8/30/2005 8:26 AM, Blogger Ted said...

oh and you said somthing like the HCTRA is "fast well maintained and well designed" I think those were your words.

How about you meet me at Grand Parkway and 1093 around 7:30 a.m. we will take the "Fast" expensive ride to 59. Too early for you ? Ok meet me at Westheimer and Beltway 8 at 5:00 p.m. We will take the "Fast" and expensive ride to Intercontinental.

Then we will Take BART from the East Bay to San Francisco at 7:30 a.m. Bring along 3:00 and a good book. Its a nice ride and a good chance to read the paper or a book.
Or we can meet at 7:30 in Tiburon. We can take the Golden Gate Ferry to San Francisco. I will buy the coffee and danish. Its a nice commute on the bay. Cost a little more, but we will bypass the congestion on 101. Then you can tell me how much people like concrete and wont pay for alternative means.

At 8/30/2005 8:31 AM, Blogger Matt said...

I wish Chris Bell the best. He's got more than 25% of his goal left to go in the next two days. We'll see.

How is commuter rail better for the user? What happens if I take the rail into work, then mid-day I want to go somewhere the rail doesn't go? What happens if I have a job (I do) that requires me to drive all over town, to places they'd never put rail? What happens to the poor folks on the East End who won't see rail, which is built for the elites?

I was about to apologize to you for accusing you of trying to weasel out of the bet. Then I saw "How about a new bet." Yup, that's weaseling.

At 8/30/2005 8:34 AM, Blogger Matt said...

"Then we will Take BART from the East Bay to San Francisco at 7:30 a.m. Bring along 3:00 and a good book. Its a nice ride and a good chance to read the paper or a book."

Three hours? Yikes. I'll pass. Besides, I'm not a big fan of taking subsidies from local government.

At 8/30/2005 9:01 AM, Blogger Ted said...

Not a weasel, just a new bet. I guess you have not taken BART. It is not used by the Elites. It is used by everyone.
The argument that you might find yourself stranded without means to get somewhere the rail wont go is false. I have never in 45 years found myself stranded in San Francisco. Nor do people in New York or Chicago. I wonder how do you think the poor people get out of the East end with no car. No rail, no car. Yep they are doing better.

So come on Matt. How about that new bet. Be a sport.

I read thru the comments again. Seems as if Otto cut you off. Not the other way around.

But thanks for cutting me off at LST. I won a nice bet on that. One of your loyal KSEV LST fans bet me you all would not cut me off. He said you all were not like the MSM and valued opposing view points.

Thanks for dinner.

At 8/30/2005 9:15 AM, Blogger Ted said...

Oh and you don't like to take govt. subsidies ?

So I guess you wont take the HFD ambulance if you need medical help.

I hope you don't drive a GM, Ford, Toyota, Hyundai, or well, any other car. They all take subsidies.

Hope you don't shop at Walmart.

Hope you are paying the state of Indiana back for the portion of your education that the state subsidized.

Hope you don't buy gas from Exxon, Valero or any other refiner.

Hope you don't Fly Continental, American, Delta, or any other airline.

Hope you don't watch T.V. or listen to Radio.

Hope you don't use the Library or the Internet.

Hope you don't drink water or put your trash out.

Hope you don't use electricity from Reliant, or use natural gas.

Hope you never called HPD or the Sheriff.


At 8/30/2005 9:19 AM, Blogger Matt said...

No, I don't use public libraries. There are still too many disgusting vagrants in there.

And are you seriously suggesting that local government somehow subsidizes the Internet? That's a new one.

I do put my trash out. It is collected, but not by a city garbage truck. I pay for my own. I also pay for everyone else's. That's pretty sweet.

Maybe you can hit your buddy up for another free lunch, because I don't care to listen to you in this forum any longer.

At 8/30/2005 9:27 AM, Blogger Ted said...

who do you think pays for the internet ? I notice you are not repaying the state of Indiana.

You guys just cant stand to be challenged can you.

Cut me off all you like. The world is not populated by one kind. You might wish it were but it is not. It is going to be a hard life for you.

I am begining to wonder. I bet you wish everyone read the same books, worshipped the same way. Wore the same clothes. Hmmmm where do we see that kind of society ?

At 8/30/2005 10:06 AM, Blogger Matt said...

Here's the Word of the Day.

Been nice knowin' ya.


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